Curse

Enko · Jan 01, 2010, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I do not want to sound like an anet defender, but can anyone confirm this? I mean, anyone trustworthy (say, guru regular?) can confirm that he did manage to log in to someone else plaync by chance?

Because I am not aware of technology that would allow this. I can not even concieve bug where someone would randomly end getting logged to another account ... there is just no magical code fairy that could sometimes, randomly, say "nah, lets log him to completelly random different account".

Just does not work this way...

this guy claims to.

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Originally Posted by niek2004

After about 60 tries I logged into someone else's account. Too bad it didnt have guildwars.

it could just be shoddy coding. database could be pointing at wrong profiles. i haven't seen another person's account yet and i've been using the ncsoft master account for a while now.

not sure if it was a coincidence but seemed like a lot of the current wave of hackings happened after aion got released and it seems like a lot of aion accounts have been stolen as well.

Martin Alvito · Jan 01, 2010, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Enko

anyone worried that the thread for no hats has received multiple responses from regina but this one hasn't received one yet?

They've always ignored these threads until the Guru mods get behind them and demand accountability. Since this is an NCSoft problem, I'd imagine that the ANet people are going to distance themselves until they have the opportunity to verify and confer with NCSoft.

Also, there are three times the number of posts in the thread about hats. Says something about the GW community and the (shortsighted) priorities of many.

T1Cybernetic · Jan 01, 2010, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Paradise Lost

There needs to be a way to de-link your gw account your from ncsoft master account!

I have just been looking for such an option in my account, i wasn't aware it could not be done

Anka Yirannes · Jan 01, 2010, 06:19 PM // 18:19

*sobs in corner, wishing he hadn't linked GW account to NCSoft account*

Enko · Jan 01, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Anka Yirannes

*sobs in corner, wishing he hadn't linked GW account to NCSoft account*

heh you're telling me. i got 10 gw accounts and 3 coh accounts linked to that . ..

manitoba1073 · Jan 01, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu

I believe not. IMO, all they have done is force the problem into the light, kind of like when you put drawing ointment on a boil.

Regardless of what happens from here on in, you can certainly expect this to come to a glorious pus-filled head, real soon.

GG Guru!

Total SG aNet!

Yes they have, as some posters here have alrdy tried doing it, by allowing this exploit to remain open in the public like they are doing. This problem was known by some and were trying to get it fixed before to many found out to exploit it.

Gun Pierson · Jan 01, 2010, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Oh dear, if this is true the shit will hit the fan again.

Enko · Jan 01, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Yes they have, as some posters here have alrdy tried doing it, by allowing this exploit to remain open in the public like they are doing. This problem was known by some and were trying to get it fixed before to many found out to exploit it.

the dupe method report to gaile that got fenix and i banned was patched within an hour of them finding out about it. makes me wonder how they were trying to get it fixed . .. this has been going on for how long now? i would also consider this a heck of a lot more dangerous than a dupe was. if anet or ncsoft knew about this already from players, it should have been a priority to fix, especially since they could've just made some small changes to prevent this.

Kate Monster · Jan 01, 2010, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Yeah..this makes it official. I'm cancelling my GW2 pre-order. I'm not buying another piece of shi..er...software from this company until they fix the security problems. I'm not paying money for an account that is going to be easily stolen. And yes, if I purchased a piece of software, I technically do own something and have legal rights to compensation (in the form of a refund for all products purchased). Maybe Anet & NCSoft would react a little more in the players best interest if a number of us contacted the BBB & our local Attorney Generals.

Enko · Jan 01, 2010, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Kate Monster

Yeah..this makes it official. I'm cancelling my GW2 pre-order. I'm not buying another piece of shi..er...software from this company until they fix the security problems. I'm not paying money for an account that is going to be easily stolen. And yes, if I purchased a piece of software, I technically do own something and have legal rights to compensation (in the form of a refund for all products purchased). Maybe Anet & NCSoft would react a little more in the players best interest if a number of us contacted the BBB & our local Attorney Generals.

with the online games, you own the right to access their server with an account. you do not own the actual data. if you read the eula closely, it states that.

Damian Manson · Jan 01, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

i allways worried that this day would come and well as has been said its lets hope ncsoft admit to this if its true and get it fixed prompto

genofreek · Jan 01, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Also, there are three times the number of posts in the thread about hats. Says something about the GW community and the (shortsighted) priorities of many.

In the hat thread's defense, Regina was in there encouraging users to describe where and when the hats failed to launch and people are constantly showing up with their own personal details, whereas this thread's mostly intelligent discussion of a big problem.

Arduin · Jan 01, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Damian Manson

i allways worried that this day would come and well as has been said its lets hope ncsoft admit to this if its true and get it fixed prompto

Fixing is one thing, admitting there is a major security problem....

Fay Vert · Jan 01, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Because I am not aware of technology that would allow this. I can not even concieve bug where someone would randomly end getting logged to another account ... there is just no magical code fairy that could sometimes, randomly, say "nah, lets log him to completelly random different account".

Just does not work this way...

Actually this is a very common problem, I recall having the same thing about ten years ago when I was doing my first web apps. The problem then was lack of thread safety in interop code, but there are other causes. It was quite a common problem about 7 or 8 years ago with some ecommerce and even financial sites, not heard of it for a while though, it's something web developers and testers should know about if they are in that business.

Worrying isn't it.

Who votes to unlink their GW account from NCSoft?

Anka Yirannes · Jan 01, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Who votes to unlink their GW account from NCSoft?

Hear hear! *leaves signature*

lishi · Jan 01, 2010, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I do not want to sound like an anet defender, but can anyone confirm this? I mean, anyone trustworthy (say, guru regular?) can confirm that he did manage to log in to someone else plaync by chance?

Because I am not aware of technology that would allow this. I can not even concieve bug where someone would randomly end getting logged to another account ... there is just no magical code fairy that could sometimes, randomly, say "nah, lets log him to completelly random different account".

Just does not work this way...

It would require very very bad coding, bug and stuff. Its hard to believe, if it took only 60 tries then its a pretty common thing. Its hard to believe the bug existed even in first place, but possible, thinking that still exist, well i will need more proof of that.

HellScreamS · Jan 01, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

what's to be concerning is that at the moment not only a few guys in the game believe this to be a whole fraud; like in the GM's hacking and thus trying to keep the GW population distant and leave the game. Their idea is that, the less people that play GW, the less it will take to maintain the servers. Doesn't make too much sense to me, but just my 0.23$

Astral_Nomad · Jan 01, 2010, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

What I don't get is can't they check and punish those who did it? I mean isn't it possible to look back in trade logs and see that one account moved everything it owns to another account? Or even if they were outside an outpost and everything was dropped for another account to pick up, isn't is possible to look back and check into those?

I understand what your saying, but any hacker worth his salt would know to use a proxy connection doing this. A proxy hides his real ip by stealing someone elses which means you wouldnt be punishing the hacker- just the poor schlub that he stole the ip from. If that were another gw player, that would suck.

Shayne Hawke · Jan 01, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Erys Vasburg

You can thank NCSoft for letting Linsey get hacked for that layer of protection.

So wait, Linsey got her account broken into? When was this?

Enko · Jan 01, 2010, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

what's to be concerning is that at the moment not only a few guys in the game believe this to be a whole fraud; like in the GM's hacking and thus trying to keep the GW population distant and leave the game. Their idea is that, the less people that play GW, the less it will take to maintain the servers. Doesn't make too much sense to me, but just my 0.23$

i could see that if the game was dying and had no successor but they have gw2 to look at. most of the players who play gw1 will probably eventually buy gw2 (unless their experience becomes so soured that they'll move on to a different company)